Chemistry behind Protandim, How it works

Since making every supplement or any vitamin requires tons of “processing water” to concentrate the product into a pill. The process also concentrates trace toxins, such as heavy metals, which can even be found in very clean water, into toxic levels when making a pill. Even the cleanest of water has some trace, small amounts of heavy metals and other toxins. Since, humans are not filter feeders like whales, who, in design process 10,000 gallons of water during a feeding. The supplements or any vitamin is a manufacturing processes that forces humans into being filter feeders, this is not the design of our bodies and we quickly become toxic.

But, Protandim was designed by the manufacture to have a bad reaction. Now, I do not have a lab to test if this is a Nerve Toxin or just a simple Snaps Blocker like lithium. I talk about both possibilities below.  Although, a nerve toxin would also act as a Snaps blockers, so both issues need to be mentioned. Below, I did my best to explain the chemistry and reaction to someone that does not do science.

There a 5 plant ingredients in Protandim – Milk Thistle, Bacopa, Green Tea, Turmeric, Ashwagandha,

It is the mixture of Milk Thistle and Bacopa that produces the social, emotional side effects similar to a clinical depression or electrical shock therapy out of the 1950s. But, unlike depression, you are also energized like a child with Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). The victim has both flat-lined their emotions and cant focus long enough to make a conversation.

Milk Thistle – “The University of Maryland Medical Center states that milk thistle may react with a variety of medications, including, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, anti-seizure medications, blood-thinning drugs, anti-cancer agents, cholesterol-lowering drugs. If you take any medications, do not use Milk Thistle without checking with your doctor.” I will post their information at the bottom of this blog, in case the link is removed or dies.

The Bacopa flower (Bacopa monniera) is being tested as an Epilepsy drug to control seizures. See the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health study posted here. I will post the web sites info at the bottom in case the link becomes dead.

India’s institute of medicine is also testing Bacopa to control seizures but the quality of the study is not up to first world standers and protocol.

Many anti-seizure drugs are utilized to treat mental conditions, such as bipolar. With bipolar the electrical brain signals cycle through being over charged and under charged, swinging the persons through emotions from happy to sad and yet back again. Here is a list of anti-seizure drugs used or investigated to treat mental conditions they include gabapentin (Neurontin), zonisamide (Zonegran) and topiramate (Topamax).

This is why the University of Maryland School of Medicine study, list both anti-psychotics and anti-seizure drugs as having side effects with Milk Thistle. The nervous system means Brain. The brain is essentially a consideration of nerves attached to a fatty gray cells which hold memories. The side effects of mixing the two, produce potent psychological effects. Similar to electrical shock treatments form the 1950s.

Although, when I see a substance like “Milk Thistle” that seems to react with everything and the kitchen sink, I have to start to point fingers at the substance. The list is so extensive and covers almost everything except tums. Milk Thistle might be an extremely weak nerve toxin which is boosted with almost anything. At the drug store the bottles state this is an herb and supplement,  both of which are false statements. I think it should be listed as a poison.

Milk Thistle

 Antipsychotics — includes butyrophenones (such as haloperidol) and phenothiazines (such as chlorpromazine, fluphenazine, and promethazine)
    Phenytoin — a medication used for seizures
    Halothane — a medication used during general anesthesia

Milk thistle may interfere with the following medications, because both milk thistle and these medications are broken down by the same liver enzymes:

    Allergy drugs — such as fexofenadine (Allegra)
    Drugs for high cholesterol — such as lovastatin (Mevacor, Altocor)
    Anti-anxiety drugs — including alprazolam (Xanax), diazepam (Valium), and lorazepam (Ativan)
    Antiplatelet and anticoagulant drugs (blood thinners) — including clopidogrel (Plavix) and warfarin (Coumadin)
    Some cancer drugs

The connection between Milk Thistle and Bacopa reaction is clearly documented but goes officially unconnected. Unnoticed by the FDA, Dea drug task force or CIA Central Intelligence Agency; come on. You have the word “Intelligence” in your name and this lands on my desk top poisoning my friend.

I watched someone first hand change overnight. The reaction is breath taking. This combination will produce more single moms than alcohol abuse or Monday night football. More orphans than crack, crank and heroin. I wonder what changes occur between the protendim user and their children, do they stop functioning as a mother? Mothering requires very strong emotions on a daily bases. Are the children left at a bus station because they no longer have these strong instinctive emotional feelings of attachment? Do these moms, just leave the home, kids and family in the middle of the night, to never return? Can this explain some, or half of the missing women in Americas.

Now, how Milk Thistle chemically reacts with Bacopa in the human body is unclear. I have made an attempt to contact the The University of Maryland Medical Center and the doctor, which signed off on the study but have not had a return contact. The only thing I am beginning to count on, is no ones is accountable and no ones ever gets back to you.

It is very possible, together Milk Thistal and Bacopa create a weak toxin, one opens the doorway to the nervous system for the other toxin to damage the electrical transmission systems. If this is a Toxin, nerve and brain cells will be damaged permanently. Brain and nerve cells are non repairable cells. They do not grow back like skin cells or can repair them selves if damaged.

People with spin “nerve and brain injuries” stay this way forever. That’s right, if the poisons flowers are actually damaging the cell, or parts of the cell and not just buffering the electrical signals, than these effect are non reversible. She will be like, what she is when she stops taking the drug or likewise, is removed from a car accident injury. All changes would be permit, any strong emotional relationships, will not be possible in the future.

The difference between lithium used on psychology patients and the plant toxins utilized in Protandim, is night and day. Lithium is a periodic table element used to block over stimulated transmissions in the Brain and Nerves system. Lithium buffers the electrical signals in the SNAPs nerve endings. The difference is, lithium is a simple periodic table element that is represented by the symbol Li and belongs to the alkali metals list in the periodic table. It is easily absorbed and expelled from the human body, long term damage, no because, it is not a nerve toxin.

The mixture of herbs in Protandim represents more of a complex toxin. The Protandin nerve toxin, is more comparable to that of a poisonous snake, necrotic spider or poisonous mushroom. Snake, spider and poisonous mushrooms will permanently damage the Nerves and Brain; not just block the signal transmission. Often snake and spider bites leave long term nerve damage, this can be seen by people who are unable to even move a finger or thumb following an event. Long term paralysis of a hand, arm or leg is common. The nerve damage is permanent and long term. Mice, Rats and a science lab, would be required to test if the effects are reversible or short term. I have none of these resources at my disposable. Rain really fucked her self up in a really bad way and on my watch.

Do I trust this company to perform due diligence testing, or the FDA to regulate any bad reaction; not at all? I have sent the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) a transmission, warning of this imminent man-made epidemic and the FDA responder would not put their name on the rejection correspondence. The FDA is a failed institute, just like the post office. How long is it before every 5 minute energy drink, or Red Bull produces an herbal blend consisting, of you think, maybe some, Milk Thistle and Bacopa; I say not long? Think this is not possible? I would have never expected an herbal supplement to be a nerve toxin, but here it is in all its red, white and blue old glory, right here. And, I am so pissed.

The drug Protandim is being sold as a free radical reducer, that is basically what an antioxidant is, but it acts like a powerful psychotoxin or “sensory nerve action potentials” (SNAP), nerve blockers.

A Free Radical is an “over” negatively or positively charged element or compound. It is not in its natural state and either holds more or less electrons than it should. Free radicals are actually required in some very impotent uptake processes in the body. They are essential to the nerves system and brain function. Function meaning feeling, emotions, thought, ext. Why, because Free Radicals, or overly changed elements are more efficient at transferring electrical nerve signals across the “sensory nerve action potentials” (SNAP), the nerve and brain endings.

Research shows people who are epileptic with seizures have an over charged electrical impulses system, from too many Free Radicals, in these nerve endings. By no means, in a normal health person, is lowering the level of Free Radicals, good or beneficial, and will have longterm side effects. An example of a person with lower Free Radicals, can be seen in a state mental hospital, in a patient pushing themselves backwards around in a circle. These people don’t need these meds anymore, once the Snaps has been reprogrammed, this is the outcome. Of course, smart people have, more Free Radicals, like me. I am free and radical.

If your leg or arm, begins to tremor or quickly and uncontrollable shakes, this is the human body dispelling some of the electrical impulses, it does not need. These electrical, impulses were not required, in your body if you are just lounging around on the couch, horizontal, watching the boob-tube.

Antioxidant is a compound designed to reduce free radicals. Think of this as similar to an anode on the bottom of your boat. Current is created by the boats engine and flows to the sacrificial anode where it is dispelled. An Antioxidant would be akin to an anode slowing and reflecting the amount of electric impulses in the brain and nerves.

The nerve system and “sensory nerve action potentials” (SNAP) transfer feelings and emotions through these nerve SNAPs with a small electric current. If you introduce an Antioxidant into the system the current is diminished and you alter the victim’s feelings and emotions, happy and sad.

An Antioxidant, should dull the persons emotions and feelings. More Free Radicals and less Antioxidant should increase the level of emotions.

So an Antioxidant is a psychotoxin. Protandim planet nerve toxin is not an Antioxidant but a form of herbal terrorism. This is why on May 21, 2012 I notified the FBI task force on terrorism prevention here, No response or even a correspondence has been sent to me. They don’t even get back to you. If you don’t wear a rag on your head, you are not a terrorist.

Green Tea is definitely used to energize the depression. Concentrations of green tea are also concentrations of caffeine. The pills appear to have the same reaction of drinking three strong cups of coffee. The victim literally bonces off the walls.

The people under the influence of Protandim become extremely defensive against having any reaction. Their life can fall apart in front of them and they will not make the connection. Problems at work, in relationships are not connected to taking this supplement. It is commonly recommended that if you take any medication, and you experience major changes in life, work, relationships, car accidents to stop taking the medicine. But, people, very smart people, who take Protandim will not make this connection, even if you tell them there is a connection. In fact, mentioning anything about a negative effects of Protandim to the person, will mean they will stop calling or messaging you. This defensive reaction from the Protandim Zombie might come from another source, another toxin in the drug.

I wish I could get my hands on the pills Rain was taking, because it is really not that expensive to have them tested. My girls at the lab might even do it for free.

Green Tea concentrations can contain toxic levels of sodium fluoride, which accumulate in its leaves. Tea leaves appear to be good absorbers of toxins. Maybe ok as a tea, but not as a concentrated pill supplement, since the concentration process collects toxins. Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set for fluoride in drinking water is 4 parts per million (ppm). Average fluoride concentration of infusions prepared tea from decaffeinated (green & black) tea were found to be 3.19 ppm and as high as 5ppm. Simple put the concentration process, of green tea and some herbs used to make the supplements, absorbs and accumulates Fluoride from the water used in the manufacturing process.

Another problem is, Fluorides in teas are found together with aluminum. The combination of aluminum and fluorides in tea is of urgent concern, due to the increased damage done by fluorides when in the presence of aluminum, especially “neurological” and renal damage. It also increases the extent to which, aluminum can be absorbed by the body, which has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease.

Recently many fingers are beginning to point to child immunization drugs as the source to the explosion in Autism in the population. Along with Mental retardation, Learning disabilities, Communication disorders, Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, Conduct disorder, and Oppositional defiant disorder. The specialists are questioning the amount of Aluminum in the immunization drugs, as the possible source to the destruction of the normal nerves system and its normal functions. Since aluminum is a common bonding agent to the components in the immunization drugs, it is high on the list of a hazard. Unfortunately, the flue shot also contains aluminum, so your call there.

The next thing to ask is, what kind of processing plant have the Mormons at Lifevantage constructed? If I wanted to create a toxic pill, the processing plant would be built out of Aluminum pipes and tubs, not stainless steel. Aluminum as a mineral is ablative; it quickly tarnishes because it is losing electrons and then surface Aluminum particles; in a process similar to rusting. This is why you do not use Aluminum cooking pans and pots, unless you are an idiot; I am sure you are not alone.

Also, what are the pipes and tubs used to concentrate the pills wielded and bonded together with? Mercury, is a metal commonly found in wielding solder. It was common in solder throughout the 1970s and most solder and bonding agents have the statement on there package that reads, “Lead Free”. Is it difficult to acquire Lead or mercury solder, nope, not at all. So, the herbs in Protendim are all very good at absorbing heavy metal toxins. It appears the piping and tub are the source of metal toxins and the herbs are used as the sponge.

Different Nerve Toxins seem to attack different parts of the brain first. Some toxins effect intellect and others tend to target motor functions, emotions, reason, ects. I have been exposed to the (maximum permissible dose) of petroleum toxins as a geologist, so I have motor skill problems, the shaky hand syndrome and issues with balance. The brain noodle is still pretty strong. Now, if I was going to make a weapons grade supplement pill, I like Lifevantage, would add multiple toxins into the pill. A plant base toxin and heavy metals would be likewise, my first choice.

Exposure to heavy metal hazards like aluminum are not short term, the patient will suffer for a long period and recovery from its nerve damage, sometimes does not occur.

Aluminum acts on the nervous system similar to lead. Toxic levels of Aluminum would produce a reaction similar to children who eat lead paint. In fact all heavy metals can react at a toxic level on the nervous system and they tend to do so in a similar fashion. Lead paint can damage to the brain and nervous system and produce behavior problems such as hyperactivity, decreased mental abilities and learning problems,. Aluminum at toxic levels would react very similar. It is noted that the depression is energized in the Protandim zombie, smart people become dimensioned intellectually. They can’t even hold a conversation, and will just stare back at you without even being able to recreate a vocal response.

Miscarriages, and Premature births or low birth weight, are also a condition experienced in pregnancies.

The scariest thing is this company is targeting midwifes, to distribute this drug to their patients. Midwives make babies, these toxins make babies die, deform and abort in late stages. I know of midwives who are actively promoting and taking this drug. For the midwives, this drug is offered free. And, the method of distribution is in the Freemason or typical masonic pyramid scheme like the food pyramid.

I have not figured out the impotence of Tumeric or Ashwagandha but it must have some reasoning or is just used to hide the black magic from the other herbs. It is possible they are also good at absorbing toxins, during the concentration and pill formation process like tea leaves are. Enriching the source of heavy metals in the pills.

Tumeric – At high doses curcumin or turmeric may damage the gastrointestinal system because curcumin at doses of 100 milligrams per kilogram body weight was ulcerogenic in rats.

Ashwagandha – Many herbalist have warned that people with certain conditions should avoid using ashwagandha. People suffering from diabetes, liver diseases, digestive disorders and ulcers should not take ashwagandha

Neurotoxicity causes of brain damage. Common symptoms can include problems with memory, concentration, reaction time, sleep, thinking, language, as well as depression, confusion, personality changes, fatigue, and numbness of the hands and feet. Many types of nervous system disorders could be caused by neurotoxicity, including numerous neurologic and psychological diseases.
Illnesses from neurotoxic chemical poisoning Include: memory dysfunction, Lou Gehrig’s disease, movement disorders, multiple sclerosis, paralysis, , etc.), panic disorder, Parkinson’s disease, tremor, etc.
Common sources of exposure come from cosmetology products, these are basically skin, hair and soap additives that ladies are putting in their mouth.

Victim needs treatment and medication, take this person to the ER for a toxic exposure evaluation.


Possible Interactions with: Milk Thistle


If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use milk thistle without first talking to your healthcare provider.

  • Antipsychotics — includes butyrophenones (such as haloperidol) and phenothiazines (such as chlorpromazine, fluphenazine, and promethazine)
  • Phenytoin — a medication used for seizures
  • Halothane — a medication used during general anesthesia

Milk thistle may interfere with the following medications, because both milk thistle and these medications are broken down by the same liver enzymes:

  • Allergy drugs — such as fexofenadine (Allegra)
  • Drugs for high cholesterol — such as lovastatin (Mevacor, Altocor)
  • Anti-anxiety drugs — including alprazolam (Xanax), diazepam (Valium), and lorazepam (Ativan)
  • Antiplatelet and anticoagulant drugs (blood thinners) — including clopidogrel (Plavix) and warfarin (Coumadin)
  • Some cancer drugs

Drug Interactions:

Acetaminophen-containing MedicationsAntipsychotic MedicationsAspirinCyclosporineDoxorubicinPhenytoin-containing Medications

Alternative Names:

Milk Thistle; Silybum marianum; St. Mary’s Thistle

  • Reviewed last on: 6/13/2007
  • Steven D. Ehrlich, N.M.D., private practice specializing in complementary and alternative medicine, Phoenix, AZ. Review provided by VeriMed Healthcare Network.
Fitoterapia. 2010 Jul;81(5):315-22. Epub 2009 Nov 26.

Bacopa monnieri and Bacoside-A for ameliorating epilepsy associated behavioral deficits.

Mathew J, Paul J, Nandhu MS, Paulose CS.


Centre for Neuroscience, Department of Biotechnology, Cochin University of Science and Technology, Cochin, Kerala, India.


Bacopa monnieri is an outstanding nervine tonic used for raising the mental performance. It helps in concentration, comprehension, recall and alertness, Brahmi is particularly beneficial as it aids in categorizing information in brain and its subsequent expression. Bacopa is also called as a natural antioxidant which may give details its neuroprotective role seen in the memory centers of the brain. Epilepsy is neuronal disorder characterized by learning, cognitive and memory impairments. The present review summarizes information concerning botany, chemistry and beneficial effect of Bacopa monnieri on epilepsy associated behavioral deficits.

Copyright 2009 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.

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  1. Lee

     /  July 8, 2012

    You have some interesting and compelling points here. I’ve been researching protandim myself and been considering getting some. I may not now after reading this but if you want to advance your agenda let me offer you some advice. Quit trying to link protandim to Mormons. It makes you seem like a crazy anti mormon instead of someone concerned about peoples wellbeing. The religious preference of the makers of this supplement is irrelevant but if you are intact an anti Mormon this would explain your position.

    • I found a nerve toxin in a supplement pill. So, I needed to find a reason to explain this, and yes a motive. It is common knowledge that Mormons suppress women, to them, they are second class citizens. And, in 2006 the FBI raid Utah because the highest members of the Mormon Cult, were raping 11, 12 and 13 year old girls. I have no problem pointing a figure at Mormons, being called an anti-Mormon or for that matter anti cult. I am sure there are some very nice Mormons that will give you milk and cookies; I just won’t eat them.
      Mormons cannot put anything into their bodies that is of a strange mixture. No alcohol, no tobacco, no caffeine, no tea, no coffee, no soda and will refuse some medicines. Some radical Mormons will not take a blood transfusion or a donor organ and just die or let their children die from a nonfatal trauma.
      No Mormons do not use Protandim because it goes against their religious beliefs. Where you came up with Mormons drinking their own Zombie juice, I have no idea, but thanks for the misleading comments.

      • Lee

         /  July 9, 2012

        I think you have some intriguing arguments in relation to the protandim but your way off on the Mormon thing. The “Mormons” you are referring to are not Mormons (lds) at all. They are a fundamentalist group that has no connection with the LDS church. The LDS church strictly prohibits plural marriage sexual relations with anyone who you are not legally wed to.
        For you to lay the claim that Mormons are out to destroy wemon and children is ridiculous as someone saying Catholics are trying to sexualize kids because a few rouge priests were caught molesting some kids. Absurd. Like I said, I can get behind your well thought out and documented argument against protandim but not if you continue to attach it ignorantly to the Mormon church.

      • I am not saying all Mormons are bad, bad people. Mormons are the same people we are. Now, at high levels in any church, every once in a while a bad apple pops up. An example can be Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple, an off shoot of an established Pentecostalism church. David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, pooped out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is only a matter of time before a Social Path finds himself in a seat of power. The seat of power in the Mormon church also controls the State of Utah. To the American government, Utah is “TO BIG TO FAIL”.
        There is a reason why in 2006 the FBI had to go into the State of Utah and arrest the fundamentalist Mormons or the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It has to be because the Mormons at the LDS who control Utah’s government, police and prosecutors, will not go after their brothers, friends and business partners. The LDS protects the FLDS and vise versa.
        Also, the Jews in Israel do not often stand up to the Fundamental Jews, the Hasidic’s, which are the ones who actually insight most of the social regional problems.
        As for the Catholics and your statement of “a few rouge priests” molesting children, you are wrong again. The actual number of child molestation incidence in the church where rather massive, exponentially greater than the general population. Also noted that at the highest levels in the Catholic church these priests were also widely protected and just moved to a different community to continue their practice.
        If the Mormon church LDS, is the solution to the Protandim problem, I will go through and rewrite everything anti-Mormon in this blog. I did notify the church, they can do this. Now, if the church protects their deranged members, who are wielding a Nerve Toxin at feminist and single moms, than a pit of fire for both.

      • Lee

         /  July 9, 2012

        Ok first of all it’s not common knowledge that Mormons supress wemon. Quite the contrary actually. I think what you might mean is it common knowledge that some crazy fundamentalist groups that call themselves Mormon supress women. These polygamist off shoots have nothing to do with the general Mormon population. They are not even LDS.

        That said, your argument about protandim is compelling. In fact I was considering purchasing some and had actually just taken some samples and now I don’t think I will. at least till I explore this some more. I may owe you a debt of gratitude. Thanks. On the other hand I’m going to withdrawal from this blog because I don’t want to be attached to the undertone of religious bigotry. It’s makes me question your motivation and for me at least makes your argument lack credibility. Good luck with your fight but if your really serious about the potential danger of protandim then I’d only suggest discontinuance of your unfounded enditment of an entire religious sect. I’m sorry about your x girlfriend to by the way.

      • Thank you for your input, but I need a motive, a reason to this madness. This is not an accident. You want me to remove half of the reasoning in this blog and if I don’t you want to call me a bigot. Nazi’s put Jews in a train for a reason, and we found out that reason, after the war. The history books are full of bizarre people doing bizarre things; I cannot restrict myself to reason and accountability when I clearly see a Nerve toxin, in a supplement, targeting woman, coming out of Salt Lake City. I did not ask for this, I am forced to package bad potatoes in a sack and for this I am no hater, racists, Anti-Semite or bigot.

  2. Lee

     /  July 8, 2012

    … I’m just saying the majority of the users of this product may be Mormons because it is a multi level marketing company out of Utah but your agenda against protandim, to be taken seriously by those who use this supplement must not seem as if you are attacking the Mormon faith. I looked past your attempts to link the danger of the product to the religion and your inference that it is some Mormon conspiracy because I know myself that this is ridiculous but most people, especially mormons and friends of mormons will not do this. Otherwise it’s a very interesting argument. Thanks.

  3. So your saying Protandim does everything it is marketed to do namely massive antioxidant production but it is these antioxidants that cause this change in emotional response?

    • Protandim is a weak nerve toxin. Yes, a nerve toxin will act as a antioxident. Meaning fewer positive and negatively charge elements and compounds in your nerve snaps to transfer brain singles. This means you are even dumber then you were to start off with. Toxin means it can damage the nerves and nerve don’t grow back. Ask someone in a wheel chair to move their feet. Zero repair factor. Final product is a brain dead Zombie.

      • So Free radicals damage the body ie skin, muscles, joints but assist the brain in making decisions?

      • Free radicals are elements or compounds with more or less electrical charge. They are required to send signals across the nerve endings. Too much aint good, to few aint good either. Taking witch potions that alter these brain wave singles is not recommended. But, Protandim is a nerve toxin like a weak version of Sarin or Nazi VX.

  4. Paolo Busi

     /  November 11, 2012

    I am sure, you never try PROTANDIM- i DID, I STOP TAKING MEDICATIONS, for my heart, blood pressure, and colesterol- after one months i have incredible results- no moore cest pains and even my sexual drive hase increse incredibly. I NEVER BEING SO HEALTY in my life. If you want to critasize, you should knoow what you are vtalking about ; and you don`t. I will take it for the rest of my life, and raccomendet to everyone i know, and don`t know.

    • I am ok with you taking anything you want

      • Did protandum do that to rain ?

      • I did my best to document the changes I was seeing in her. Suddenly after she took the protandim poison it was like talking to her through a filter or lens of mist. I could tell quick something was wrong with her personality and demeanor. She even stopped wearing her usually brightly colored clothes covered in flower prints. I watched the fall of someone I really admired as a human, even was attempting to emulated. This Blog started as two paragraphs to warn her family. I needed help to get her of the poison. A friend told me the name of the poison, Protandim. The rest was just from research and analysis. I worked as an environmental scientist, always around toxic, biological and chemical hazards. I would be dead 10 times over if I was not good at my work. This protandin reaction fell right into my experience working as a professional. I think now I can question if I fell upon the Pale Horseman, who spreads poison and disease. Apocalyptic churches, like Mormons, 7th day Adventists are here to bring about suffering on humanity and here is what I believe they are doing. If Protandin, Lifevantage and Herbal Life are tools of the Pale housemen then this would explain a lot of unexplainable things. Mostly the why part, and why when I reported the experience to what are considered the authorities, no one wanted to responded back. Hades is not riding with Death on the Pale Horse, but chasing him down to kill him. And, comforting this, speaking of this makes you into a Hades persona. So end of story, Rain biblically fucked me. Girls are more trouble then they are worth, a fucking Cosmic liability and if you find other men attractive, your just lucky.

  5. Patti Higgs

     /  March 25, 2013

    You are crazy!! Protandim has credible backing. and over 30 institutions that do their own research concerning Protandim. American Heart Assoc., La. State Univ., Ohio State Univ, Ohio Children’s Hospital…to just name a few. After reading your blog it was totally evident you have no idea what you are saying. You can try to stomp out Protandim but in the end you will not have made a dent. I am seeing many people getting better health from taking Protandim. It does exactly what it says it will do. Life Vantage is not a Mormon thing. It is not a company who is trying to drug the women into submission. That is ludicrous. You need to see a doctor and get some serious psychological help. To think anyone would even believe this rant you have posted even baffles me.

    • Shares of LifeVantage Corporation (NASDAQ: LFVN) fell 16% today after announcing a voluntary recall of its Protandim product, the Nrf2 Synergizer(R), a dietary supplement.

      The San Diego-based health and nutrition company said it is being proactive in its recall decision due to the potential inclusion of minute metal remnants in the product (THIS IS A NICE WAY TO SAY HEAVY METALS, LEAD, MURCURY, EXT.). The remains were initially identified in batches of turmeric extract, an ingredient in Protandim that was purchased from a third party supplier. LifeVantage predicts that the gross expenditure of the recall could be as high as $7 million, which it anticipates to affect the company’s second fiscal quarter results.

      The recalled lots displayed below were sold between July and November 2012.
      Lot # Expiration Date
      12-0258 7/2/2015
      12-0259 7/3/2015
      12-0292 7/9/2015
      12-0294 7/11/2015
      12-0295 7/12/2015
      12-0304 7/18/2015
      12-0306 8/16/2015
      12-0307 8/17/2015
      12-0373 8/21/2015
      12-0382 9/21/2015

  6. myphamomega

     /  July 11, 2013

    Protandim is a mixture of Herbs, which alters or buffers the current levels and electrical impulses in the Brain and nervous system, it is an “Herbal Electric Shock Treatment”. Altering the Brain waves, be it mechanical or Herbal, both will produce the same results and have long term effects, which you may never recover from. The end result is similar to a lobotomy.
    protandim la gì?

  7. Robert

     /  November 9, 2013

    I read with interest the creativity and delusions of the Blog’s author. Be very cautious with your considerations of any of his reasoning. Fact: LIfevantage started in 2003. Initial headquarters were in San Diego, it is a publicly traded as LFVN, credible sources for truth on the effects can be found at by visiting this government cite and searching Protandim. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints love God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. They love, honor, cherish and respect their wives, husbands, and children. They cherish their bodies as temples of God and do their best to avoid harmful actions and intakes that my be harmful.

    Like many California based businesses, Lifevantage probably found Utah a more favorable business environment. Most of the Lifevantage employees and representatives are not of any particular religion.

    I recommend consideration of Nrf2 and related research. Protandim has been proven to be an effective Nrf2 Synergizer. Where someone understands “Free radical biology” and the Science of Nrf2 they will not be duped, deceived or influenced positively, by uninformed psuedoscientific, selfgrandising, individuals.

    I am an extreme athlete and health care provider that has noted improved athletic performance, mental function, and objective blood values through three years of consistent Protandim consumption of one Protandim per day.

    I wish you readers all the best in your Quest for truth and integrity.


    • If you believe in ghosts and unicorns than you might just really believe that protandim is not toxic warfare, but it is. More Children are sexually abused in Utah than in BangKok, the FBI even had to go into the state because the state government and Mormon authorities did nothing, do nothing, Mormons are kid fuckers.

  8. carrie

     /  February 17, 2014

    came across your blog. Did you know that black mold contains neurotoxins? I know you think you have put two and two together, but you havent placed into your blame list any of the effects of black mold toxin. You are blaming all of the perceived changes on the supplement; even the reasons why she wants nothing to do with you anymore. Seems to me it is not just the girl who changed. You appear to have changed into a complete jerk after you cleaned up all that black mold. I am not sure whose brain is not working correctly from this blog, yours or hers. while I am not giving this supplement a pass, you are making an amazing amount of accusations that are not helpful to you or your x girl. Glad you were able to potentailly enact a recall with your concern, though it may have had nothing to do with you. hope you can get over your anger issues. please look into the signs and symtoms of mold toxins and ways to detox this from yourself. you sound extremely toxic to me.

    • Black mold does not destroy the nervous system and is not a nerve toxin, Black mold effects the respiratory and lymph system. The New England Compounding Center (NECC), a compounding pharmacy in Framingham Massachusetts that made epidural steroid injections in October 2012, had a fungal meningitis outbreak. I believe the pain pills produced by at the New England Compounding Center (NECC) were also reported as having some issues, as I recall. The process of making compounds is not worth the risk. Hopefully all is better for the X and she did not poison too many of her friends or give any Mormon cool-aid to her son. Thanks for the comment.

  9. DOR

     /  April 17, 2014

    I cant imagine any real sportsman expecting normal life expectancy without taking Protandim. there is a rezone why the Olympic committee allow Protandim, why professional athletes use Protandim:
    and why swimmers kids are protected by the use of it:
    but more importantly the Poster seams to ignore ALL the good benefits of Protandim’s 5 ingredients. for example:
    to name a sew.
    LifeVantage gives it’s business partners great tools to educate it’s customers.
    My whole family is on the pill & will stay on it til forever & beyond, which will probably be further then the human’s that do not.& yes that include the dern dog!{if it was my choice he wouldn’t be on it as a way to shorter his lazy life, but then i love my wife & kids more then i hate the muffy}…

    • What a load of crap. We definitely have a sales rep here with their list of links all written by lifevantage.

      • Robert

         /  April 19, 2014

        Truth seekers will go to and search Protandim. Read the full Peer reviewed studies. There are 15 to learn about the interactions of the patented dose.

    • Robert

       /  April 19, 2014

      I think you should go to and watch the ABC primetime report and see the science update from the video section above the viewing screen. That will take you 12 minutes and give you an objective overview of the company and the product. Then go to the Peer reviewed research portion of that website and open the first PDF which will outline the percentage of the herbs in Protandim. I am not totally clear of your motivation but feel that your method of exaggeration and hyperbole are disingenuous. Protandim is a 675 mg tablet of five herbs that are outlined in the first PDF. They are not secret, their small percentages and have been shown to have a powerful therapeutic effect. I have used this product personally for three and half years, shared it with hundreds of patients with favorable results.
      Your quotations from the literature are abusive of science. All substances including water when used inappropriately with excessive doses can be lethal. I encourage any readers this blog to exercise careful judgment and reasonable analysis. Robert

  10. Titus

     /  April 20, 2014

    I get very suspicious when soooooo much effort is put into knocking down the product. It is understandable to want to hype it up in order to sell it, but knocking it down????For the non scientist, which is about the majority of us, only one YES or NO question needs to be answered. The way that is determined is by “statistical analysis”. X% found that is a wonder supplement Y%found that is not, or worst. If X is bigger than Y…. it works. The rest is hog wash.

    • I noticed multiple personality changes in my lady friend. These personality changes are side effects to taking a nerve toxin. This blog began by me documenting the side effects. I am a writer and scientist so my analysis is rather complete and extensive. Definitely short by report standards but not able to fit in a tweet. Thank you for the comment.

  11. Cathy

     /  August 27, 2014

    This product has changed me and my 2 kids we suffer from Lyme disease. My daughter is out of pain for the 1st time in 2 and half years.

  12. Concerned Relative

     /  November 20, 2014

    Thank you for your information!! A family member is currently suffering from a severe psychotic episode and has been now diagnosed as bipolar. She may have had it all along, and then taking these products made them worse. If I were you I would also look into the ingredient DMAE which is in Axio, their new energy drink. Between that and the milk thistle in Protandim, a family is being destroyed and we fear permanent damage.

    Incidentally I think including the references about Mormons being behind this is actually taking away from your case and makes the articles seem less scientific and kind of conspiracy-theory like. If you truly want to help people, I would take out all references to that, and your piece will be taken seriously. People are googling every day about side effects of these products and may even be like me, with a family member suffering, but the conspiracy things make it sound like possibly *you* are the one who has has some brain issues. Sorry to be so blunt but for those of us who generally are glass half full people, it sounds crazy. Stick to the science part and you can help a lot more people. Maybe the other is true, maybe not, but you have enough info on the ingredients that you do not need to include it to make your case, in fact it worsens it. You do not need a motive for LV to be doing this. I do not believe they are damaging people intentionally, but who knows. What they DO need to do though is face the fact that their products cause problems for some people, and make that clear in their information, training, and marketing. Or change their formulas.

    • I am very sorry to hear about your family member and thank you for the input. I am sure you are right about the conspiracy stuff, damned if I include it and damned if I don’t.. I wanted to provide or produce as many reasons or motives possible for myself to understand this and you just get caught in a catch 22 conspiracy case every time. I like to leave no stone unturned, cover all bases and as a scientist writing about wacky religious groups, well they tend to suck you in, to battling their demons. Damned if I do damned if I don’t…..

      • I was given this supplement by a good friend last week. After taking it for 4 days, I had an experience last night that made me dump all $50 of them down the toilet. I didn’t even consider trying to hock the 26 remaining pills on ebay or even give them away. This snakeoil nonsense has wasted enough of my time already.

        I have zero history of seizures or fainting, but last night I was standing up at a concert and 45 minutes after having had half of one alcoholic beverage my vision went black, my knees gave out and I started shaking and convulsing uncontrollably for 30 minutes. I had taken my 4th ever protandim tablet earlier that morning (12 hours before this), and aside from a cup of coffee that day and my half of my alcoholic beverage I never finished at the concert, i had ingested no other supplements or drugs. My bloodwork at the hospital showed that no one spiked my half alcoholic beverage with anything either.

        After I recovered and got home safely last night, I discovered that my friend who had given me the bottle of protandim was in the hospital since she had been in a car wreck last night while driving home from a protandim training session at her “upline’s” house. She had been taking the pill for 2 weeks before she gave it to me. I was supposed to go to that protandim training session with her last night, but decided to go to the concert instead. Didn’t make a difference, though, because we both ended up in the hospital anyway.

        Coincidence? Perhaps. However, It did lead me to do the research on this super random and *un*tested “miracle” pill. Since I take no other medications aside from random ibuprofen for the occasional headache, it makes me look at what has changed recently in my life. Only the protandim! Makes me wonder, why did I start taking this crap, when I was a healthy, happy person before I took it? That would be because a dear & trusted friend told me to take it. A dear friend who is now in the hospital. I am no doctor, no scientist, herbologist… I’m just an average person with no credentials about the pros or cons of supplements whatsoever. I will not recommended this supplement to any of my friends or family or random healthy /happy /fine people on the street who honestly do not need to take some mysterious untested concoction of 5 herbs with who knows what side effects. Good luck to you all and bless

      • Thanks for the comment, sorry to hear about your troubles but I think your post and experience might help someone, one day.

  13. Lisa

     /  February 22, 2015

    Protandim is not toxic. Sorry your friend wasn’t feeling well after starting to take Protandim, but that does not prove that the toxins were IN the Protandim. I think it was the release of toxins via Nrf2 activation DEtoxification, if anything, that would cause a reaction like what you describe. Protandim has been studied extensively by scientists who know what they are doing. Protandim is not ADDING toxins, If any of you research how an NRF2 activator works, you will realize what is going on. You should be much more worried about your bag of Doritos or Coca Cola than Protandim. We are constantly flooded with GMO foods, artificial and processed food additives (MSG is proven to be a powerful neurotoxin), chemicals in the air and in products we use every day (such as Fluoride…another powerful neurotoxin

    Goodness sakes, the point is to get those toxins OUT of our body. Glutathione upregulation via Nrf2 activation stimulates the release of heavy metals and toxins FROM our cells. NI should have a full work up to see what is going on with his body. It would be MY educated guess that he should have a workup to rule out epilepsy. Concerts involve flashing lights which can trigger a seizure as he reported. Anyone can say anything on a blog. How do we know that NI didn’t make the whole story up? Protandim has proof on

    How is Protandim made? They use EXTRACTS from the herbs. NOT the entire herb. Captain Billy Jones…..You readily admit that you have NOT tested Protandim in a laboratory, correct? What PROOF do you have that Protandim….not the herbs in question…..but Protandim has neurotoxins in it? If it is so toxic, then why are the people I know, including myself, getting better? I am OFF anti-depressants and OFF pain meds. My blood work shows excellent liver function and my cells under a microscope look amazing!

    I hope this helps you to review what ELSE your friend has put into her body over the years. Try another form of DEtoxificaiton and see if she has a similar response as the stored toxins are re-released into her system. The point of ANY discussion should be about how to HEAL ourselves and to become healthier people. If Protandim can work for many people without injury then it should be an option. Your experience is a far and unproven minority. I wish you the best of luck on your search to help your friend.

    • I do not believe you are educated, schooled, self or other wise. I don’t believe you or anyone has looked at your cells under a microscope. Medically speaking, we do grow bacterial cultures and look at those under a micro scope, but you are not a bacterial disease, like Pneumococcal. Jim Jones killed 909 Peoples Temple followers, a branch of the Seventh Day Baptist Church, so you eat, drink and DEtox on what ever you like ; )

  14. Donnie

     /  August 4, 2015

    people believe anything on the internet… Good lord…You can eat bread and someone could have a reaction to it. All I know is, it has lowered my blood pressure the first time in 10 years. I have also had my Testosterone lowered to where I do not have to take a monthly shot at all… So mine is al facts that have proven to me to take this pill that so many are scared of. I mean hell people that take FDA approved drugs will see a commercial years down the road asking if you took this drug call us… Everything including water could be bad….

  15. J

     /  October 8, 2015

    Captain Billy Jones, For someone who claims to be a professional, you sure don’t protray yourself with much professionalism in this blog. You let your personal feelings interfere with your judgement, and therefore any credibility is out the window. Too bad. You should make it completely scientific and leave out the rest.
    Just something to think about.

  16. One person vs 23+ universities reviews, studies published in medical journals, national coverage and patients. When something works there will always be someone trying to find fault in it.

    • 23+ universities reviews from people who don’t exist, I documented many attempts at calling these professionals and I found no one to talk to or question. Your product was recalled for the reasons I exposed in this blog. Proving I was right.

  17. Your an idiot.. Protandim is Scientifically researched in labs to work 100% of the time.. The amount of each ingredient is low.. It’s the combination of all five working together that activate the Nrf2 pathway.. It the master regulator or all your cells..
    You have an option but you have no facts that it doesn’t work. now has 20 studies submitted by PHd that says it works, not an opinion.

    • 20 studies from doctors that don’t exist and can not be tracked down, or questioned. You can pay for anything, but it does not mean it is a real study backed by real doctors. The poison was recalled, and lifevantage stock dropped like a rock. This fact is documented.

      • Again your making up comments that are not true.. No one hold your comments in any regard.. The 20 Studies are conducted my real Scientists, Dr.’s with More letters behind thier name.
        They are not paid for the National institute of Health and Science is a leget organization of real scientists that review studies and will only accept and publish if they find them of value.
        So yes the 20 studies in on Protandim are real, the 12 Patents LifeVantage holds are real.. Why don’t you question the drugs that are prescribed that kill people everyday.
        No one really care what you say.. You know nothing.. But LifeVantage may soon let you know, you need to stop slandering the company and thier products..

      • Not afraid of being threatened by child molesters, lifevantage or Mormon owned poison makers.

  18. Allen

     /  July 12, 2016

    The amounts of each ingredient in Protandim is very small!!! How much milk thistle would someone need to swallow for an interaction to occur? Ridiculous! Even water will kill you if you try to take in too much at once. The last person to attempt to draw attention to themselves by attaching their blog to the name of this product was hauled into court, lost in court, and the blog was removed. And that blog was not half as insane as yours. Additionally, you might want to learn how to spell.

    • These pills are not plants but concentrations of active ingredients. Penicillin does not still have mold in it after synthesizing. Not sure what a court hauler is but when they get here I will tell them to piss off. Along with any other fascist /communist who denies the truth, and the principles of free speech.

  19. Hi can I print this?

    • I state that brief passages my be reprinted for educational endorsement. The entire work was performed for the benefit of my friends kids college fund so I can not permit duplication in entirety.

  20. Sgt. Mike

     /  September 23, 2016

    Some months ago an acquaintance of mine (not a Mormon as far as I know) talked me into trying Protandim. My bad … I should’ve never let on to her about my aches and pains. Among other more minor issues, I was suffering from a relatively mild form of MS, had recently been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and was still feeling the effects of PTSD from my three deployments.

    Although I had some minor discomfort at first, probably from interactions with the potent drug cocktail that the VA had given me, I soon noticed that my symptoms, both major and minor, had all but disappeared. That’s when I made a terrible, fateful mistake: in what I can only consider a delusional euphoric stupor, I told a bunch of people in group therapy about my experience. Within weeks, they were all taking Protandim, too; and many of them were already seeing positive results.

    What a catastrophe. I only hope I can find forgiveness for my actions. I believe I’ve made the best effort possible to repair the damage I’ve caused. The good news is that I have stopped using Protandim myself, and that my symptoms have all returned. The bad news is that I’ve been unable to dissuade my friends from continuing down their individual paths to inevitable destruction; several of them have even become distributors. Apparently, the placebo effect is even stronger than I suspected: the NIH National Institute on Aging has found that Protandim extends life in mice. When will the madness end?

    I’ve become something of a recluse lately. My constant fear is that I will round a corner and come face to face with the dead eyes of the zombie who introduced me to Protandim in the first place. May God have mercy on me.

    • Paulo DAmico

       /  September 24, 2016

      You are a fucking idiot.. you know nothing about Science.. If Protandim was a joke there wouldn’t be now 22 studies on it, and published.. in Paulo Sent from my iPhone



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